By Hon. Karen Arnold-Burger
“We can’t stop kids from drinking, so why don’t we just lower the drinking age back down to 18? They are adults for all other purposes. Eighteen year-olds can vote, smoke, marry, drive, fly, pay taxes, take out loans, hold public office, serve on a jury and fight for their country,, so what’s the big deal? Let’s stop spending all this tax money and law enforcement officer time fighting a loosing battle!”
I often hear this refrain as I speak to adults in our community. In fact, many Kansas parents today grew up in an era in Kansas when they could drink 3.2% beer when they were 18. Why did that change and should it be changed back? Some believe that allowing drinking at younger ages would mitigate youthful desire for alcohol as a “forbidden fruit.” Before I share my “top five” reasons we should keep the drinking age at 21, let’s take a little trip back in time and examine how the current law came to be.
After Prohibition was repealed in 1933, the decision as to what the legal drinking age should be was left up to each individual state. Until 1970, the minimum drinking age in most states was 21. As part of the war protests of the 1960’s, youth started lobbying for a lowered voting age and a lowered drinking age. “Old Enough to Fight…Old Enough to Vote” were popular bumper stickers and buttons of the era. In 1971, the 26th Amendment was adopted, lowering the voting age to 18 and drinking ages likewise started to be lowered around the country. Between 1970 and 1976, 21 states reduced the minimum drinking age to 18. Another 8 reduced it to 19 or 20. However, these states immediately noticed sharp increases in alcohol-related fatalities among teenagers and young adults. As a result, of the 29 states that had lowered their drinking age, 24 raised the age again between 1976 and 1984. By 1984, only three states allowed 18-year-olds to drink all types of alcoholic liquor. The others adopted some sort of stair-step age requirement based on the type of liquor being consumed.
Federal transportation authorities viewed this hodge-podge of state laws as a real highway traffic safety problem. Alcohol-related traffic injuries and fatalities were increasing and some of this was as a result of kids traveling from their home states to neighboring states that had lower drinking ages and then becoming injured or killed as they returned to their home states. These became known as “blood borders.” In 1984, Congress enacted the National Minimum Drinking Age Act which had been recommended by President Reagan’s Commission on Drunk Driving. States were threatened with the loss of 10% of their federal highway funds if they did not raise the minimum drinking age in their state to 21 for all alcoholic beverages. All states eventually complied so that now all 50 states have a minimum drinking age of 21. So, that brings us immediately to reason number one.
1. 21 saves lives.
There is now a substantial body of scientific evidence showing that raising the minimum drinking age in 1984 directly resulted in reduced alcohol-related crashes and fatalities among young people as well as deaths from suicide, homicide, and non-vehicle unintentional injuries. According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, increasing the minimum drinking age to 21 is credited with having saved 18,220 lives on the nation’s highways between 1975 and 1998. Other studies have found that it is responsible for a 19% net decrease in fatal crashes involving young drivers, and is currently responsible for saving approximately 1,000 young lives each year.
2. the brain does not fully develop until at least 21.
More and more research has been released in recent years concerning the stages of brain development. We have learned that the brain does not finish developing until a person is in their early twenties. It appears that it is not coincidental that fatalities increase as the drinking age is lowered. Brain maturation culminates in the prefrontal cortex. This is the area that controls judgments and weighing risks and consequences. Previously, this area was thought to be fully mature by the age of 18. Studies now suggest that this area is not fully developed until around the age of 25. What does this mean? Those under the age of 25 are more likely to engage in thrill seeking activity, and less able to appreciate the consequences of risky behavior. This new research has legislators around the country examining things like raising the driving age and raising the age at which a person can be executed for a crime committed during these “formative” years. Alcohol impairs judgment and heightens risk-taking behavior as well as slowing perceptual and motor skills, so given to a person who has an immature brain function in these areas already, research shows that the effects are even more exaggerated. And finally, the research indicates that alcohol or drug use during these formative years can cause long term, irreversible damage.
3. the longer we can delay alcohol use, the better the chance that a person will never have a problem with alcohol.
Alcoholism is a serious medical and social problem in this country. Criminal justice experts estimate that at least 75-80% of defendants involved in felony crimes or serious misdemeanors were either under the influence of alcohol or drugs when they committed their crime or committed their crime to obtain money to obtain alcohol or drugs or to to survive because they have lost their financial resources due to their addiction. Decrease in work productivity due to absenteeism, divorce, suicide, increased medical problems, school drop out rates and traffic collisions are just a few of the costs associated with alcoholism. Drug addiction rarely begins as such, but often begins as early onset alcohol use as the gateway for further experimentation. For every year we delay the onset of drinking, studies have shown we substantially increase the likelihood that our child will NEVER have a problem with alcohol or drugs. NEVER. We know that alcohol use effects an adolescent brain differently than it does an adult. We know that because of this addiction onset can occur much sooner in a teenager (6-18 months) than an adult (5 years). The explicit aim of existing policy is to delay underage alcohol use as long as possible and, even if use begins, to reduce its frequency and quantity as much as possible.
4. the policy does work, preventing “low-hanging fruit.”
Allowing drinking at younger ages would not mitigate youthful desire for alcohol as a “forbidden fruit” it would merely make alcohol more available to an even younger population, replacing “forbidden fruit” with “low-hanging fruit.” The practices and behaviors of 18 year-olds are particularly influential on 15 – 17 year-olds.If 18 year-olds get the OK to drink, they will be modeling drinking for younger teens. Legal access to alcohol for 18 year-olds will provide more opportunities for younger teens to obtain it illegally from older peers.
We do have the benefit of some studies that were done before the drinking age was raised nationwide in 1984. The 1978 National Study of Adolescent Drinking Behavior found that 10th – 12th graders in states with lower drinking ages drank significantly more, were drunk more often, and were less likely to abstain from alcohol. Additionally, national data show that high school seniors who could not legally drink until age 21 drank less before age 21 and between ages 21 – 25 than did students in states with lower drinking ages. Countries with lower drinking ages suffer from alcohol-related problems similar to, and in some cases worse than, those in the U.S.
Certainly, the large numbers of current underage drinkers breeds frustration, but the studies show that the numbers would be much worse if the drinking age were lowered.
5. department of defense regulations allow members of the active military who are under 21 to consume alcohol in controlled situations.
And what about this “Old Enough to Fight…Old Enough to Drink” argument? Well, the fact is, if your child has volunteered to serve in the military, when the going gets tough, there is a good chance he or she will be allowed to have a drink.
In the “old days” anyone on active military duty could consume alcohol on military installations, regardless of the legal drinking age off-base. However, in the mid-80’s federal law was changed requiring military installation commanders to adopt the same drinking age as the state the military base is located in. At all oversees military installations, the drinking age is 18 unless international treaties or agreements mandate a higher age. So if your child is risking his or her life overseas, and there is no treaty prohibiting alcohol on base, he or she may drink at 18.
In addition, the commander of a military installation may waive the drinking age requirements state-side, if such commander determines that the exemption is justified by special circumstances. Special circumstances are those infrequent, non-routine military occasions when an entire unit, as a group, marks at a military installation a uniquely military occasion such as the conclusion of arduous military duty or the anniversary of the establishment of a military service or organization. The event must be held on a military installation. The commander is required to ensure that appropriate controls are in place to prevent endangering Military Service members or the surrounding community.
Therefore, the fact that an 18-year-old can serve in the military does not negate all the other reasons the drinking age should remain at 21 for those who choose not to volunteer for such a dangerous assignment.
In conclusion, ages of initiation vary in this country — one may vote at 18, drink at 21, visit the local casino at 21, rent a car at 25, and run for president at 35. These ages may appear arbitrary, but they take into account the requirements, risks, and benefits of each act. The national minimum legal drinking age of 21 has survived the test of time and is firmly supported by current scientific research. The lives and futures of our children depend on its continued support.
After reading through the article, I feel that I need more info. Could you suggest some resources please?
I agree. The writer talks about various studies that have proven thier point correct, but I find it odd that none of these studies are cited. This will not be a fully credlible blog until some sources are cited.
The topic is quite hot in the net right now. What do you pay the most attention to when choosing what to write about?
First, you might notice that I don’t write many of the articles, but simply pull them from published sources. Second, I choose articles that appear to have some interest from the local Kansas City Metro Area, because my office serves this location. This particular article was written by a local Judge (and one of our partners) in Overland Park, KS. It is by far the most read piece on this site. Thanks for reading!
Once your body is developed at 14 or 15 for some people your brain is also fully developed therefore it doesnt make a difference.
Your name is largecock. I think your point is a little invalid. You are most likely under the age of 21 and want the law changed so you can drink. But judging by your username, your brain is definitely not fully developed.
And look! You’re 14. You don’t even know what you are talking about.
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FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER I BET YOU WERE DRINKING AT 18 YOU CONTRADICTORY PIECE OF SHIT!! DON’T THINK YOUR ARGUMENT HOLDS ANY WATER AT ALL!
Dude wat r u talking about? Does it really matter if kids drink at 18. Cause in my opinion it doesn’t cause i think if you are able to get it than you should drink it if you want to. There shouldn’t be a law it should be lefted up to the parents cause some parents don’t mind but at the same time some parents let their kids drink on there birthday or a special occasion.
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Shows how ignorant you are. It is not illegal for parents to buy their children alcohol. That has nothing to do with lowering the drinking age. The drinking age only has to do with purchasing alcohol. “Lefted”? Go back to school.
You serve a point as to why it shouldn’t. I’d hate to see what you would do if you were drunk.
I agree with JIMM, he may have said it differently, I am 18 years old and I personally think the drinking age should be lowered to 21, almost everyone I know drinks and they wouldn’t stop no matter what, everyone drinks, most everyone who says they did not drink in high school is a liar it’s part of a phase of life and it does not help that its considered such a sacred thing that you get to drink when you’re 21 it just makes people want to break the rules, I have a friend from the Ukraine and they have virtually no drinking age and he says that since its available to everyone people its not so exclusive anymore so its not as cool so people don’t drink as much. I think they’re are many reasons the drinking age should be lowered, these are just a few, and of course there will always be the few dumbass kids who drink and drive and they die, but the vast majority is very safe and smart about when and how much they drink, and some people, including myself even tell their parents that they drink so don’t assume its so secretive. Also anyone who wants to criticize my grammar, go ahead, I wrote this in 10 minutes so sorry I didn’t have time to do a spell check or change it to MLA format.
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He didn’t even write this… Calm your shit.
i didn’t know arguments could hold water. . . .
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How eloquently put, Jimm. I believe that the evidence is clearly in the article’s favor.
I disagree. The article cites no sources whatsoever. For all we know the writer could have made these studies and facts up, or exxageratted the truth. You are an Asshat with little crediblility.
Quite right Eric. I do believe Jimm might have been a tad bit tipsy whilst writing his comment
Hello, I’m 18 and strongly believe in keeping the age at 19. This JIMM guy most likely has had a strong alcohol influence while growing up and sadly has affected him to the point of dependence. I’m quite saddening but very common I believe. I also have a theory I’m working on that the use of alcohol at an early age effects your learning abilities. I’m trying very hard to find proof that someone has done on this topic, anyone know of any good site I can find this information?
The drinking age is 21 retard.
Thankfully, not everyone is lives in America.
In Canada it’s 19. “retard”
That is what she is talking about. Keeping the drinking age at 21. No need to act like a child.
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Ok….. first whats with the username? not something u wanna put out there in the open….. i agree that teenagers will find a way to drink whether or not the drinking age is lowered to 18 or not…. i know some parents who will give their 10 year old child a beer and i’m shocked…. this article does not include enough information based on both sides of the argument and should have at least gotten more personal and scientific views on it before writing it.
I’m sorry, but I cannot support your opinion. Your statistics are from; up to and including, 30-25 years ago. Have we seen no change in the past 30 years that you can convince me? Your appointing of the “stupid young ones” title to all of those age 18 to 21 is simply frustrating. Drinking and driving was mostly due to the inability for the government to get the word out about the chance of death. Instead of trying to punish everyone for the simple mistakes of such trivial minds; please make some sort of attempt to further the education of these children so they can think the way many of us do now. Warn them of the dangers, if they ignore it then what would have stopped them before? People are the most dangerous beings on the planet, because of our self-destructive nature. Why fight against something that no longer includes you anyway?
Please and thank you.
Hello, im not here to agree or disagree with you. I’m here for a much more sobering reason. To divulge the answer to a question that you have probably been asking yourself throughout your entire pathetic life. i’m sorry to inform you that when a mind like mine, clashes with one such as yours, the outcome is always the same, and more likely to be in my favor. You see, when i read something like this, i try to look for where you’re coming from. Oh, and if i may i’d like to add that i’m rarely incorrect in my assumptions. I suggest not reading any further if you’re starting to get the message. When discussing a topic such as the drinking age, instead of over analyzing the subject in itself, (a.k.a, what a stupid person would do) i suggest looking at ones self and realizing that others are not like you. Personally, I know 16 & 17 year olds that are fully capable of having themselves a drink and being mature about it, something you were probably deprived from in college when all the social kids who had friends enjoyed their parties as you sat by and watched. So i apologize for posting what i’m sure will come as a reality check when you realize that a 17 year old kid in high school just rocked your world you little pussy!!!!!!! AHHHHHHHHHH IM SO FUCKING SMART!
you didn’t rock anyones world you pretentious faggot.
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Alcohol consumption is not analyzed enough. fuckface.
You’re a total douche bag…
Peter Nyitray, Let me rock your world. Or not, that sounds kind of gay. Simply because YOU know a few 16 and 17 years olds that are capable of having a drink does not mean that everyone can have a drink. If the drinking age law was demolished, or even brought down to, lets say, 16 (so that those 16 and 17 year olds could drink legally) although those specific people that you know that can have a couple of drinks and be mature about it, there are still more teenagers in the U.S.A. who can’t drink and be responsible. When trying to state a point, be sure to take into consideration all of the other people who can’t do what you or those 16 and 17 year olds can. Yes, it sucks that there are people mature enough to be able to drink in moderation and be mature but yet they can’t because it is illegal. However, it is completely worth it when you take into consideration how many more people can’t drink in moderation and be mature. Now, a senior in high school just rocked your opinion, cause I’m not rockin’ your world!
1. Saves lives? I know that because of drug and alcohol education programs at my school kids my age know to get a sober driver instead of driving drunk. Plus, MAYBE WE’RE JUST BETTER DRIVERS THAN YOUR GENERATION. Those two factors – drinking and driving – are not interchangeably related.
2. Not fully developed? Maybe not, but its also more easily trainable when a person is younger. Like learning a language, longer exposure (not OVERexposure, mind you) is more likely to teach kids how much they can and should drink before they get into a potentially dangerous setting with access to excessive amounts of liquor.
3. No alcoholism? Again, if they are given limited quantities earlier on they are less likely to grow dangerously dependent on the substance.
4. Low-hanging fruit? So change it to 19. That way, those who are legal will be out of high school and potentially off at college, thus much less likely to influence their younger peers.
5. This is just straight up B.S. I’m so proud of the military and the men and women that serve this country, but if they can drink under 21 in “controlled settings”, the rest of the population should be able to do so as well.
Sincerely,
A concerned college student
ALOT of “low lifes” on this page
80/20 rule again at its finest
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I drink and im 14 got a problem haters ? huh
I think, your anger show that you are to young to drink, Have you seen a body laying out on the side of the road, because teenagers think it cool to drink, are see a friend laying their, because you had one to many, stop and think how your Mother or Father would feel if a policeman came to the door and said I am sorry Mr & Mrs so and so, but I regret, wish there was another way to tell you this but your son or daughter was killed in a car crash, we found alcohol that was open and all had been drinking. I am a Mother of two boys one is twenty, and the other one just turn eighteen and I am proud that they do not drink, would not wanted to lose them are for them to kill someone else because they were drinking, I watch a friend that lose her twenty year old lose her son in a car, along with his friend, the car caught on fire and both boys burn to the pe oint that it was two week before they could let the body go, which was just parts that did not burn, his sisters went to the car and was looking and came across a finger that had not burn, it not just teenagers that drink and drive, are brake the law when drinking it adult, older people cause just as much as the younger one do. But as a mother I would still agree to the law of twenty -one year old as the legal age.
Is this Data from Australia?
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personally your results may be correct but they are not current. i do agree with the person above saying it depends on the persons mentality whether they drink or not. i think 19 is a good age to allow drinking. because if you want to drink at an illegal age you will be able to. there are so many oppurtunities.
Yeah, Im 18 I can go to war, get married, sign contracts,buy a gun, and so on, but buy a beer haha the hell with that. I need people like you to watch out for my saftey. I mean because there are some dumbass kids out there that got themselves killed because of alcohol that means everyone under 21 deserves to have freedoms taken away. Eventhough most people that drink and drive are over 21, and countries that have a drinking age of 18 have less alochol related problems than the U.S,and even though the ” research” supporting the law in BS we should all just support the law. I mean after our goverment has such a great trackrecord of keeping us safe : )
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Thank you for this well thought through argument, I highly enjoyed reading it. I will counter your last point however. The military drinking age is currently twenty one on and off all instillations. I have spent the last twelve years of my childhood following my dad from overseas assignment to assignment and not matter where we were the 21 drinking age applied tO all us citizens attached to the military.
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Well listen hear everyone i can garantee that pretty much everbody likes to have a drink here and there before they turn 21 because you all know that as soon as you turn 21 your just gonna get so plastered your not gonna remember a thing from the night before. So if it was 18 it would be controlled way more by the time you turn 21.
So lower the dam drinking age to 18 because you know its gonna happen someday soon anyways!
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I’m 16. I don’t drink. I don’t encourage it. But I support abolishing the drinking age (among all age related laws).
1. Why should the group who doesn’t abuse alcohol be held responsible for the latter’s actions? They shouldn’t. But if that isn’t enough for you, I have some statistics too. African Americans are 10 times more likely to be imprisoned for drug related crimes than other racial groups (http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Race_and_Prison#Data), so following your logic, we should heavily police and/or imprison African Americans because we have statistics to show that they are most likely to break drug related laws.
2. This is my favorite one, and this is the reason we need to abolish or privatize the FDA. Everyone owns their body, meaning everyone can decide what they put in their bodies. If someone breaks a law while using drugs or alcohol, they should be punished for the crime, but NOT for doing drugs. So to get back to your point of brain development, everyone, including underaged people, can decide what they put in their bodies and how many brain cells they have, because it only directly affects them, and it’s their body to do that with.
4. I’m doing 4 first because it will help the flow of my argument. When you say lowering/getting rid of the drinking age will make it a lower hanging fruit, I don’t think you understand why making it the “forbidden fruit” is worse. I’m 16 (currently homeschooling, but I was previously in public school) and I can tell you that alcohol being legal will take away the “coolness factor” that evolves around it when it’s illegal. Will legalizing make it more available? Sure, but for one, it’s the person’s decision, and it won’t have the coolness factor that it has right now.
3. So, following my logic from 4, I believe less underaged people will abuse alcohol. But to address this argument directly, it has also been shown that children who grow up around alcohol in a comfortable environment are less likely to be a binge drinker or alcoholic. I’d hardly call the system we have right now comfortable.
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Calling everyone faggots. How clever.
You’re pathetic
Get a life
I think 21 is a very good drinking age where I come from it is 18 and I have seen far to many teenagers die from drink driving. All these ignorant little shits think drinking is the #1 priority in the world right now and it is not. Get a life.
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wait so… the trailer is inbred? i didnt know trailers could do that.
some of y’all don’t even care about this topic and are just writing down random shit…… you need to try to stay on topic instead of insulting others….. jeez……
ya”ll bunch of bitches anyways! should be at 18 no matter the circumstances! so ya’ll need to stop bitching and sign a petition or something!
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been drinking since i was probably 15. I live in Canada in a province that the drinking age is 18. I know it’s not the same situation for everyone but for me i got all the crazy drinking out of my system when i was a young age and at least if i did fuck up then my parents were there to help me out. If i started to drink now and do all the stupid shit i did back then i would be fucked. Life over. Back to square one sorta shit. I understand the idea is your more mature but i now live in a city close to the us boarder and so many 18-19 year olds come up here to get fucked up for a weekend and you all do retarded things cause your not used to drinking. You act like how i acted when i was 15. Thats what i think when i see these kids. I’m very good friends with some people from cali and they told me since they can’t always easily acquire alcohol they just do a bunch of blow and mdma. Definitely better?
Yeah
How come U.S Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico, (Both U.S territories) Allow drinking at age 18, But not us?
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I believe that the drinking age should be lowered to 18 for numerous reasons. If an 18 year old likes to drink they will do it no matter what the legal age is, so we might as well lower it. I am 18 and a member of our military, if i am old enough to defend our country why can i not have a drink? I think this blog is somewhat invalid due to what the writer wrote is in no way cited. Even if you did cite it those researches were done decades ago. This generation is not the same as it was back then. It is more normal for 18 year olds to drink now-a-days. Alcohol isnt as big of a deal as it was back then, so we tolerate it more efficiently then it used to be. There is always going to a couple dumbass’s who drink and drive or who can not control their alcohol. In my opinion i think we should have harsher laws for those who drink in drive or for those who are drunk in public. Raising the legal drinking age does not eliminate the problem, it only made it so more people are breaking the law so the government now gets more money because of all the mip’s and mic’s.
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i agree with jim yous are all dumb as hell. roll tide
fuck you jesse you have no idea what you’re talking about. war eagle
Kinds of bull shitting, It must be 18,I will never change my idea.
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nah the drinking age should be -3 so all the baby’s are chill and won’t cry when they’re born
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I am a 18 year old senior in High School I am Doing a Bill Format assignment and I personally think the drinking age should be 18. The parents should be smart enough to teach there kids the right way to be responsible when drinking. I my self have the capability to do so, but i don’t see what so wrong with having a beer or two hear and there. I think that if you are to drink you do it at home or do it around people you know and be smart about it. It should be allowed for 18 year old to drink at least a beer. We can vote,smoke,drive, do every thing an adult can do besides drink why not just let us.
Sincerely- a High School senior
Matt,
You said that “parents should be smart enough to teach their children the right way to be responsible when drinking”, most parents do have conversations with their children about drinking responsibly but many teenagers in high school do not listen. They know what is right and what isn’t, but many continue to drink at parties. And that is good that you have the capability to do what is right but not every senior or even freshman in high school does. Not everyone has the same level of self-control that you may have. I recommend looking up your state’s laws because in some states you can drink with a parent/guardian at home.
Sincerely- Also a High School senior
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Do we really want the men that fight for our country to be under the influence of alcohol?
The going often gets tough in college everyday… Why isn’t it okay for college students to have a drink if the military member are able to?
70%+ of underage kinds drink, nearly all closer to 21.. (right off the bat, that is absolutely terrible if you’re goal is 0%) To solve all your points, you might as well try lowering the drinking age, as you really can’t get any worse than these percentages. From an efficiency standpoint, those numbers are unbelievable, TRY SOMETHING ELSE.
jeez, still blowing my mind.. If I produced numbers like that, I would be fired, and my rule book would be thrown out the window immediately.. aloud to keep producing those numbers for 15+ years, omg. disgusting
give 10 kids a beer, 6 will stop drinking it, 3-4 will learn it’s effects. 1-2 might binge..
Tell 10 kids that drinking is bad, and illegal. 9 will get together in secret to binge drink.